BAGULEY FAMILY PAGE 5


     This should be Baguley page 1, but it is a work in progress.  I am editing and adding information from other pages, both mine and others. See Notes:
There is conflicting information at times, but by having this page and further input from others I
hope to resolve some of these conflicts. See the following pages for more and sometimes the same information:
Baguley 6 ....
 Baguley Hall
 Baguley 1
 Baguley History 1
 Baguley Crest 1
 Baguley Crest 2
Venables and Mainwaring Family links to Baguley
{ Generation No. 9}

{ 256. Randall Baguley,} died May 1626 in Wrentham, Suffolk, England. He was the son of
{ 512. Robert Baguley}. He married { 257. Jane}.They were the parents of the BIGELOW Immigrant Ancestor John 1 (Baguley, Biglo, Bigelow,etc.)

{ 257. Jane}.

Children of Randall Baguley and Jane are:

i.     Francis Baguley?, b ? ; made will giving 5 L to brother John 1 in New England.

ii.    Elizabeth Baguley?, b ?; 2nd wife of Richard Butler; died 1691 Hartford, CT; may have been cousin and not older sister to John.
daughter Elizabeth BIGLOW b. 1606, Suffolk Co, Eng, who m. Deac. Richard BUTLER

iii.   Persis Baguley, b 1604

iv.   Susan Baguley, b 1606

v.   William Baguley, died March 23, 1620/21; b 1608; d 1621.

vi.   Margaret Baguley, b 1611; d .

vii.  John 1Biglo (Baguley), born February 16, 1615/16 in Wrentham, Suffolk, England; died July 14, 1703 in Watertown, Massachusetts; married (1) Mary Warren October 30, 1642; married (2) Sarah Bemis October 02, 1694.

    ( I have made additions above and below to document...ROD 2001)
Randle Baguley married Jane and the lived in Wrentham England and had the following children.
Persis daughter Christened 1 April 1604
Susan daughter Christened 6 July 1606
William son Christened 19 Feb 1608
Margaret daughter Christened 1 March 1611
John son Christened 16 Feb 1616

Another submission
1. Richard BAGUELY, b. 1474, Ollerton, Suffolk, England; m Alice De Vernon; She was the daughter of Ralphe De Vernon

2. Ralph Baguely, b. 1500, Ollerton Hall, d. 1540.

3. Randall Baguely, b. 1518 at Ollerton Hall, m. Eleanor, and died 1556 at Ollerton Hall.

4. Robert BIGELOW (BAGULEY), b. 1556 at Ollerton, m. Jane, and died 4 Nov 1582 at Knutsford, Suffolk, England.

5. Randall Bigelow (Baguely), b. 1578 in Wrentham, Suffolk, England, m. Jane, and died 17 May 1626 in Wrentham.

{ 258. John Warren}.

Child of John Warren is:

i... Mary Warren, born 1628 in England; died October 19, 1691; married John Bigelow October 30, 1642.


{Generation No. 10}

{ 512. Robert Baguley,} died November 04, 1582. He was the son of { 1024. Randall Baguley} and { 1025. Eleanor}.

Children of Robert Baguley are:

i.   Randall Baguley, died May 1626 in Wrentham, Suffolk, England; married Jane.

ii.  John Baguley.

iii.  Hugh, b ca 1580; d ca 1629.
Subject: Bigelow/Baguley/Bagley/Begley
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:05:29 EDT
From:    JDBegley@aol.com
I only recently discovered that your surname and mine are derivatives of the same root.  I am descended from Robert Baguley (1550-1590) through his son Hugh (1580-1629) down to the immigrant Peter born in 1608 in Siddington, Cheshire and landing in Nansemond County, Virginia in 1635.  The name changed to Bagley during the 17th century and to Begley during the 18th.
Family legend has it that our earliest ancestor was transported to America for stealing a goose - and that the village was named for the family.  For years I have been trying to locate a village in England called Begley.
If you would like more information on your southern cousins, write me back and I''ll provide you with what I have.
Regards   David Begley


                                             { Generation No. 11}

{ 1024. Randall Baguley,} died 1556. He was the son of { 2048. Ralph De Baguley}. He married { 1025. Eleanor}.

{ 1025. Eleanor}.

Children of Randall Baguley and Eleanor are:

i... Philip Baguley.

ii.. Robert Baguley, died November 04, 1582.


                                                   { Generation No. 12}

{ 2048. Ralph De Baguley,} (b 1500?) died 1540. He was the son of { 4096. Hamon De Baguley}.
Ralph Baguley was born in 1500 at Ollerton Hall, Cheshire, England and died in 1540. That's from the LDS, so it's "undocumented," but,
I'm sure someone, perhaps one of the submitters of the LDS data, has documented it.

Children of Ralph De Baguley are:

i... Randall Baguley, died 1556; married Eleanor.

ii.. Nicholas Baguley.
Robert Baguley's father was Nicholas Baguley born ?-died 1558.
Nicholas Baguley's father was Ralph Baguley born 1500-died 1540 and his wife Ciceley Massey(Ciceley's father was Hamon Massey). (see below)


                                                             { Generation No. 13}

{ 4096. Hamon De Baguley}. He was the son of { 8192. Ralph De Baguley} and { 8193. Ciceley Massey}.
Hamon BAGUELY, b. 1474, Ollerton, Suffolk, England

Notes for Hamon De Baguley:
Lord of the manor of Ollerton Hall, in the parish of Knutsford in the county of Chester, left many descendants in Ollerton.

Child of Hamon De Baguley is:

i... Ralph De Baguley, died 1540.
Ralph Baguley's parents were Richard Baguley and his wife, Alice Vernon(She got Oilerton Hall through marriage)(her father was Ralph De Vernon).
this information conflicts (see below)


                                                  { Generation No. 14}

{ 8192. Ralph De Baguley,} born 1500; died 1540. He was the son of { 16384. Richard De Baguley} and { 16385. Alice De Vernon}. He married { 8193. Ciceley Massey}.
Nicholas Baguley's father was Ralph Baguley born 1500-died 1540 and his wife Ciceley Massey(Ciceley's father was Hamon Massey).
{ 8193. Ciceley Massey}. She was the daughter of { 16386. Hamon Massey} and { 16387. Ciceley}.(see below) (see note)

Notes for Ralph De Baguley:
He had lands in Baguley and Ollerton in the parish of Knutsford.

i... John De Baguley.

ii.. William De Baguley, married Clementia De Chedale.

iii. Hamon De Baguley.

iv.. Nicholas De Baguley, died 1558.

v... Randall De Baguley, born 1526; died 1556; married Eleanor.

notemassey:
Subject: query
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 05:11:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Nichole Michaels <saganstruth@yahoo.com>

 I recently discovered your website - where you mention
a lot about the Hamon Massey and other Barons of
Dunham in Cheshire... Yet, I could not tell how the
Masseys' family line is related to the Baguley? I am a
direct decendant of Hamon the IV (see IV) thru his son William
older brother of Hamon the V. Any information that you
have would be useful- I also have information that
predates Hamon the I going back to the year 949..

On the subject of Herluin de Burgh - in my
research, his marriage to Frendsindis, only produced 2
children, both of whom were sons. While his marriage
to Arletta, produced 6 children , one of whom was the
unknown de Conteville who married William de la Ferte
Mace.  Emma tends to be the child that raises skeptism
on whether or not if she is a child of Herluin and
Arletta. Most of the 6 children, were sons, and only 2
were daughters. The sons did fight along their half
brother William the Conquerer.
  thanks again, Nichole


                                       { Generation No. 15}

{ 16384. Richard De Baguley}. He was the son of { 32768. John De Baguley} and { 32769. Ellen De Baguley}. He married { 16385. Alice De Vernon}.

{ 16385 Alice De Vernon}. She was the daughter of { 32770. Ralphe De Vernon}.

Children of Richard De Baguley and Alice De Vernon are:

i... Ralph De Baguley, born 1500; died 1540; married Ciceley Massey.

ii.. John De Baguley.

iii. William De Baguley, born 1319.

{ 16386. Hamon Massey,} born 1210; died 1273. He was the son of { 32772. Hamon De Mascy IV} and { 32773. Mainwaring}. He married { 16387. Ciceley} 1253-1255.

{ 16387.} { Ciceley,} died Aft. 1275.

Notes for Hamon Massey:
All of his legitimate children were minors at the time of his death, their custody, until they attained what was then considered legal age was by the concession of Jacopo de Alditheley ( James Audley), Justice of Cheshire, given to Alicia de Bello Campo. He obtained control of several estates in Lancashire and Cheshire which were Ciceley's dower rights as Gernet's widow.

Notes for Ciceley:
In 1275 she was granted license to grant one-half acre to the lepers at Longueford.

Children of Hamon Massey and Ciceley are:

i... Hamon VI Massey, born Abt. 1256; died 1342 in Flintshire, Wales; married (1) Isabel De Beauchamp; married (2) Alice De Beauchamp; married (3) Joan Clinton.

Notes for Hamon VI Massey:
After the death of his only son, Hamon VI fell in love with Joan Clinton, sister of the Earl of Huntingdon, and he looked for any excuse he could find to marry her. His station of rank was such that he was able to have the church declare that his marriage to Alice Beauchamp, the mother of his children, illegal under a religious tenet: ie his marriage to Alice was invalid because she was a sister of his first wife. So the Church by a fiat declared that Hamon's marriage to have been meretricious, with Alice declared to have borne bastard children, and thus the children were declared illegitimate. Baron Hamon VI married Joan Clinton after he was freed from Alice, but no children were born from this union. Joan Clinton before her death in 1329, proved to be as extravagant as Hamon VI was profligate. First he sold his life estate to Dunham-Massey as well as other estates to one Robert De Frodesham. Afterward he sold the reversion rights thereto to Olicer De Inghon who was the justice of Cheshire.

ii.. Ciceley Massey, married Ralph De Baguley.

iii. Alice Massey, married William Stanley {WFT Est. 1403-1446}

Notes for William Stanley:
He was a member of the Audley family, some of whom left their name as Alderley, appended to the villages and estates which were located to the east from Knutsford toward Macclesfield. This family descended from Adam de Aldethelegh, who lived during the reign of King Henry I (1100-1135). The Stanley family would have been neighbors of members of the Massey family.


{ Generation No. 16}

{ 32768. John De Baguley,} died 1353. He was the son of { 65536. William De Baguley} and
{ 65537. Clementia De Cheadle}. He married { 32769. Ellen (Bleasdale??) De Baguley}.

{ 32769.Ellen De Baguley}.

Child of John De Baguley and Ellen De Baguley is:

i... Richard De Baguley, married Alice De Vernon.

{ 32770. Ralphe De Vernon}.

Child of Ralphe De Vernon is:

i... Alice De Vernon, married Richard De Baguley.

32772. Hamon De Mascy IV,} born Abt. 1160. He was the son of { 65544. Hamon De Mascy III} and { 65545. Agatha De Theray}. He married { 32773. Mainwaring}There is mention of  the Mainwaring Family in Venables file.

{ 32773. Mainwaring}

Children of Hamon De Mascy and Mainwaring are:

i.    Thomas Massey.

ii.   Margery Massey, married Roger Pain.

iii.  William Massey, born Abt. 1190; died Aft. 1272 in Palistine; married Margery Rostherne. 16386

iv.  Hamon Massey, born 1210; died 1273; married (1) Alice; married (2) Ciceley 1253-1255.



                                         { Generation No. 17}

{65536.William De Baguley,} born 1310; died 1350. He was the son of {131072. William De Baguley} and { 131073. Lucy Corona (see below)}. He married { 65537. Clementia De Cheadle}.

{ 65537. Clementia De Cheadle}. She was the daughter of { 131074. Rodger De Cheadle}.

Children of William De Baguley and Clementia De Cheadle are:

i. John De Baguley, died 1353; married Ellen De Baguley.
ii. Hamon De Baguley.
iii. Isabel De Baguley.
iv. Richard De Baguley.

{ 65544. Hamon De Mascy III,} born Abt. 1120; died 1210-1215. He was the son of
{ 131088. Hamon De Mascy II} and { 131089. Eleanor De Beaumont}. He married
{ 65545. Agatha De Theray}.
{ 65545. Agatha De Theray,} died Aft. 1215.

Notes for Hamon De Mascy III:
He founded the Abbey Birkett at Birkenhead in the Wirrall Peninsula of Cheshire. He lived during the later part of the reign of King Stephen, and during the entire reign of King Henry II, Plantagenet which ended in 1189. Hamon III may have been compelled to forfeit several of those original estates granted to the first Hamon by reason of his participation in the 1172 Baronial rebellion against King Henry II. Hamon III operated in opposition to King Henry II from his castle at Ullerwood, just below Knutsford. His activities were undertaken in conjunction with those of Gervaise Psinel, the son-in-law of Ferrers, the Earl of Derby. It was Gervaise who held the fee of Pownell immediately to the East of Knutsford. Barons Hamon III, Geoffrey de Constantine of Stockport, and Richard de Morville at Lauder, seem to have been the leaders of the rebel Lords in Cheshire. In 1173 King Henry II's English Barons overcame Hamon III and the other Cheshire Lords. Hamon III was fined 300 marks; his companion Gervaise Painel, had his stronghold, Dudley Castle, burned to the ground.

Children of Hamon De Mascy and Agatha De Theray are:

i   Robert De Mascy.

Notes for Robert De Mascy:
He served as a member of King John's entourage. His mother gave the moiety of Bowden, which she bought of Roger Massy, son of Geffry Massy. (Library of Congress folder #252 i k)

ii.  John De Mascy.
iii. Agnes De Mascy, married Geffrey Dutton.

Notes for Agnes De Mascy:
Her father gave half og Bolinton in free-marriage to Geffrey Dutton of Chedill son of Geffrey Dutton. (Library of Congress folder #254 b)

iv. Agatha De Mascy, married De Hellesburg.
v.  Sybil De Mascy.
vi. Simon De Mascy.
vii. Isabell De Mascy, born Abt. 1155 in Lindsey, Lincolnshire, England; married Hugh Dutton Abt. 1170 in Cheshire, England.

viii. Hamon De Mascy IV, born Abt. 1160; married Mainwaring.
ix. Ciceley De Mascy.



                                                     { Generation No. 18}

{ 131072. William De Baguley,} born Abt. 1260. He married { 131073. Lucy Corona (see below)}.

{ 131073. Lucy Corona (see below)}. She was the daughter of { 262146. Edward I}.
this information conflicts with /rod/baghist1.htm (see below)
Lucy/Lucia Corona also married Hugo de Corona (Jr.),who also married Anabell de Bamvill;Lucia had son Thos.de Corona with husb. Hugo de Corona (Jr.)(Ref.Visitation of Cheshire,1580,pedigree of "Pro Leigh de Lyme".

Notes on William De Baguley:
Sir William de Baggiley (aka: de Baguley) born c1260 was knighted by King Edward I, and later married one of the King's daughters. Her name was Lucy Corona (see below). She was born out of wedlock. This was quite common in those days for the King to have children from someone other than the Queen. Lucy's mother (a Lady in Waiting) worked in the King's court. Sir William and Lucy had five children. The children married into well-to-do families. During this time the Baguley family were quite well up in the aristocracy of England. They owned the Salt Mines in Cheshire and a mill for processing. This is where they made their money.

In the reign of Edward II, (1284-1327), Sir William de Baggiley (aka: Sir William de Baguley) born c1260, was Lord of Baguley. Sir William built Baguley Hall c1320 and was Lord of the Manor until his death. At the time of his death, he also owned a manor at Hyde and another at Levenshulme in Lancashire, plus an inn called The Ryle Thorn in Baguley. He was succeeded by his son John Baggiley (aka: John Baguley) born c1290; who died around 1356(Refer 2) and his daughter Isabel as joint heirs of his property. Isabel married Sir John Leigh of Booths, a widower. Their eldest son William inherited Baguley. The manor remained in the Leigh family until the late seventeenth century, when the line terminated in Edward Leigh. He had married Elinour Tatton of Wythenshawe Hall. And although they had three daughters, there was no son to succeed him. (Refer 3)

An effigy of Sir William is housed in St. Mary's Church, Bowden Parish, Cheshire. (Refer 4) Not far from the old Baguley Hall. Originally there was a Baggiley (Baguley) coat of arms vis: The losenges were asure on an orange background. It is understood that this coat of arms was demolished when the property of John Baggiley (Baguley), Baguley Hall was made over to Sir John Leigh of Booths near Knutsford around 1353.

Children of William De Baguley and Lucy Corona are:
i.  William De Baguley, born 1310; died 1350; married Clementia De Cheadle.
ii. Isabel De Baguley, married John Leigh.(see note2)
              Notes on Isabel and John Leigh:
              Sir John Leigh of Baguley. On the (4th.) page, in the paragraph:"Archbishop John               Tillotson's pedigree is as follows: ......Rodger (6)Tilston Esq., in the time of Henry V, who                married Catherine, 2nd,daughter of Sir John Leigh of Baguley in Cheshire, Knt.,                There is also mention of "Maud, dau of Richard Bostock ....
               Found this on the Tillotson Project page.

note2:
Subject:  info on isabella (isabel de baggilegh) wife of John Hyde
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:40:26 -0800
From: John M. Fintel      <  johnfintel@crescentlink.com  >
My name is John Fintel and I've been doing a lot of research into my geneology and I came across your website while researching a line in my family tree. Looking at the chart you had on your website that was from volume 1 of the bigelow family geneology, I noticed you had a John Hyde married to an Isabella and this isabella had a father named william. This caught my eye and i went and checked on my family tree and sure enough i found an Isabell De Baggilegh with a husband named John Hyde and a father named William and from the dates you had on your site, this seemed like too much of a coincidence. as it turns out, Isabel De Baggilegh (with my father being the 1st generation) is only 22 generations back and is from baggilegh, england. She was born in 1249 and died sometime after 1358. If you could give me anymore information on this person this would be greatley appreciated, if it's the same person then we might even be cousins 22 generations apart, who knows.
Please Reply to John M. Fintel

iii. John De Baguley, born 1290.
iv. Ellen De Baguley, married John De Venebles-Leigh. There is mention of  the Venebles Family in Venables file.

v. Geffery De Baguley.

{ 131074.  Rodger De Cheadle}.

Child of Rodger De Cheadle is:
i. Clementia De Cheadle, married William De Baguley.

{ 131088. Hamon De Mascy II,} born Abt. 1100 in England; died 1140 in Dunham, Lancashire, England. He was the son of { 262176. Hamon De Mascy} and { 262177. Margaret De Sacie}. He married { 131089. Eleanor De Beaumont}.

{ 131089. Eleanor De Beaumont}.

Children of Hamon De Mascy and Eleanor De Beaumont are:
i.  John De Mascy.
Notes for John De Mascy:
He held in knight's fee the estate of Pontington near Chester. Hamon III gave unto John Massey his brother all the land of Moreton, in Wirrall, Which Mathew De Moreton held, with Houlebate and Haybate in his Demainwood of Bidston, in Wirrall, for the land of Podington, which Robert De Massy his uncle held. (Library o f Congress folder # 258 a)

ii.  Robert De Mascy.
Notes for Robert De Mascy:
His descendants included the three families: Masseys of Sale, Masseys of Backford and Masseys of Timperley.

iii. Hamon De Mascy III, born Abt. 1120; died 1210-1215; married Agatha De Theray.


                                        { Generation No. 19}

{ 262146. Edward,} born June 1239 in Westminster; died July 07, 1307 in near Carlisle. He was the son of { 524292. Henry} and { 524293. Eleanor}.
Child of Edward is:
i. Lucy Corona (see below), married William De Baguley.

Children of Edward and Eleanor are:
i.  Joan Plantagenet, born 1272 in Acre, Holy Land; died April 23, 1307; married Gilbert De Clare Abt. April 30, 1290 in Westminster Abbey, London, England.

ii. Elizabeth Plantagenet, born August 07, 1282; died May 05, 1316; married Humphrey De Bohun November 1302.

{ 262176. Hamon De Mascy,} born Abt. 1075 in England; died 1101 in Dunham, Lancashire, England. He was the son of { 524352. William De La Ferte Mace} and { 524353. ? De Conteville}. He married { 262177. Margaret De Sacie }.

{ 262177. Margaret De Sacie}. She was the daughter of { 524354. Le Sire De Sacie}.

Notes for Hamon De Mascy:
     Sites of the estates obtained by Hamon I in addition to a house in Chester and land on the Wirral pensuli a were Ullerton (Owlarton). It is about two miles south-southeast from the town of Knutsford. Going northwest to the Mersey River - notheast to Bramhall (Bromhale), which in those days was about two miles southwest from Stockport. thence below Stockport t o the Mersey River. With these two lines denoting the southeast and southwest boundry and the Mersey River would constitute the northern boundry of an area having a triangular shape. At about the midway point of the northern boundry on the Mersey River would be the river crossing to the city of Manchester's original location in Lancashire, which lies to the north of Chester. This probably marks the area of the greatest holdings of the Barons De Mascy in Cheshire. Within these lands Hamon De Mascy had lesser Lords who held portions thereof for him or under his 'right'. A couple of examples would be Adae De Carrington and Alano De Tatton. Both constituted estates granted to Hamon. In 1092 King William Rufus was a guest at the court of Hugh Lupus in Chester. At least two of his barons attended the King, Hamon De Mascy and William Venables. There is mention of  the Venables Family in Venables file. They along with their entourage of adherents and servants of Hamon, accompanied the King on a hunting expedition in the Wirrall Peninsula. This probably took place on lands which had been set aside as a hunting preserve of the King and treated as his possession which had not been the subject of a grant, not even to Earl Hugh Lupus.
     No doubt it was as a consequence of some occurance on this hunting expedition that a new estate was give to Hamon I, in fee of Hugh Lupus. The estate, Pontington (today called the area around the village of Puddington), was on such occasion granted by the King himself, so that therafter the De Mascy Cheshire Barons held it in fee of the King rather than in fee of the Earl. For that reason Pontington was in later years especially prized. We can only speculate upon the reason which inspired King William Rufus to make this grant. However as soon as the hunting party returned to Hugh Lupus' castle at Chester, Hamon sought out a scrivener, no doubt a monk whose duties were appropriate to the purpose recorded as follows: "I, William King of England do give unto Massy all my right, interest and title to the hop and hopland (valley l and) from me and mine to thee and thine with bond (boundry) and limit from heaven above to hell below, to hold of me and mine with bow and arrow when I shoot upen yerrow ( the place), and in witness to the sooth (action or statement) I seal with my wang tooth." Inscribed as witness was William Venables "fratre suo".
     In the consideration given to the first Hamon De Mascy it should be remembered that he was a part of the court and governing body of nobles in Cheshire at a time when Cheshire was a county Palatinate under Earl Hugh Lupus. What this means is that its rule was like that unto a country under martial law. At least Earl Hugh Lupus was not hampered by either King William the Conqueror or King William Rufus, and he reigned in Cheshire as a king. The Ba rons and their lords were almost constantly put to defense against the Welsh on Cheshire's western border and to maintain control over the Saxons who made up a great bulk of the population.
     Hamon Massey, the first baron of Dunham-Massy, held the towns of Dunham, Bowden, Hale, Ashley, and half of Owlerton, in Bucklow hundred, under Hugh Lupus, Earl of Cheshire, in the reign of William the Conqueror; all of which one Edward held formerly, as appears by Domesday Book. So as it seems to me, that this Edward was dispossessed of his right therein, and these lands given to Hamon by Earl Hugh.
     This Hamon had also in Maxfield Hundred, Bromhale and Puddington in Wirrall Hundred, at the same time, and other lands. The last two paragraphs from History of Cheshire by Sir Peter Leycester.

Children of Hamon De Mascy and Margaret De Sacie are:
i.  Robert De Mascy.
Notes for Robert De Mascy:
He was found to have been holding one of the family estates, Pontington, in "Knight's Fee" of his brother Hamon II. From 'History of Cheshire' by Ormerod.

ii. Hamon De Mascy II, born Abt. 1100 in England; died 1140 in Dunham, Lancashire, England; married Eleanor De Beaumont.
Note:
Subject: Hamon Massey
Date:  Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:48:02 EST
From: Steven Lamar Massey   RedSt3@aol.com
 I am a direct descendent of Hamon Massey 1st. I enjoyed your page. Would love to know more if possible.
Steven Lamar Massey
Franklin, North Carolina, USA



                                                                    { Generation No. 20}

{ 524292.  Henry,} born October 01, 1207 in Winchester; died June 1272 in Westminster. He was the son of { 1048584. John} and { 1048585. Isabella D'Angouleme}. He married
{ 524293. Eleanor} January 14, 1236/37 in Canterbury.

{ 524293.  Eleanor,} born 1217; died January 1290/91 in Amesbury. She was the daughter of
{ 1048586. Raymond} and { 1048587. Beatrice}.

Children of Henry and Eleanor are:
i. Edmund Plantagenet, born January 16, 1244/45 in London, England; died June 05, 1295 in Bayonne; married Blanche 1276.

ii.  Edward, born June 1239 in Westminster; died July 07, 1307 in near Carlisle; married (2) Eleanor October 18, 1254.

{ 524352. William De La Ferte Mace}. He married { 524353. ? De Conteville}.
{ 524353.  ? De Conteville}. She was the daughter of { 1048706. Herluin De Burgh} and
{ 1048707. Frendsendis}.

Children of William Mace and ? De Conteville are:
i.   William De La Ferte Mace , Jr.
ii.   Robert De Mascy.
iii.  Hamon De Mascy, born Abt. 1075 in England; died 1101 in Dunham, Lancashire, England; married Margaret De Sacie.

{ 524354.  Le Sire De Sacie}.

Child of Le Sire De Sacie is:
i.   Margaret De Sacie, married Hamon De Mascy.


                                             { Generation No. 21}

{ 1048584.   John,} born December 24, 1166 in Oxford; died October 19, 1216 in Newark. He was the son of { 2097168. Henry Plantagenet} and { 2097169. Eleanor}. He married
{ 1048585. Isabella D'Angouleme} August 24, 1200.
{ 1048585. Isabella D'Angouleme,} born 1188; died May 31, 1246. She was the daughter of
{ 2097170. Aymer De Valence} and { 2097171. Alice De Courtenay}.

Child of John is:

i.   Richard Fitz Roy, married Rohese.

Child of John is:

i.   Joan, died 1237; married Llewellyn Ap Ioworth 1206.
Child of John and Isabella D'Angouleme is:

i.   Henry, born October 01, 1207 in Winchester; died June 1272 in Westminster; married Eleanor January 14, 1236/37 in Canterbury.

{ 1048586. Raymond,} born 1195; died August 19, 1245. He was the son of { 2097172. Alfonso} and { 2097173. Gersenda}. He married { 1048587. Beatrice} Abt. June 05, 1219.
{ 1048587.Beatrice,} died 1266. She was the daughter of { 2097174. Thomas} and { 2097175. Margaret}.

Child of Raymond and Beatrice is:

i.   Eleanor, born 1217; died January 1290/91 in Amesbury; married Henry January 14, 1236/37 in Canterbury.

{ 1048706. Herluin De Burgh,} born Abt. 1001 in Conteville, France. He was the son of { 2097412. John de Burgh}. He married { 1048707. Frendsendis}.
{ 1048707. Frendsendis}.

Children of Herluin De Burgh and Frendsendis are:

i.  ? De Conteville, married William De La Ferte Mace.
ii.   Ralph De Conteville.
iii.   John De Conteville.

Children of Herluin De Burgh and Arletta Herleuva are:

i.   Odo De Conteville, died 1097.
ii.   Robert De Burgh, married Maud de Montgommery.
iii.   Emma De Conteville, born Abt. 1029 in Conteville, France; married Richard De Avranches.



{ Generation No. 22}

{ 2097168. Henry Plantagenet,} born March 05, 1132/33; died July 06, 1189. He was the son of { 4194336. Geoffrey Plantagenet} and { 4194337. Matilda}. He married { 2097169. Eleanor} May 18.
{ 2097169. Eleanor,} born 1123; died 1204. She was the daughter of { 4194338. William} and { 4194339. Eleanor De Chastellerault}.
Notes for Henry Plantagenet:
In 1172 many English nobles rose against the King in protest of his attempt to increase his royal authority. It was the same year that he had done penance at Arvanches in Normandy for his responsibility for the death of Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury. Popular feelings in England were running against King Henry. It was not only the English nobelmen who rebelled but the Norman Barons as well. We need to remember that the important country of those times was Normandy, not England, and the King preferred to live in the former, the more civilized and cultured.

Child of Henry Plantagenet is:
i.   William Longespee, born 1176; died March 07, 1225/26; married Ela 1198.

Children of Henry Plantagenet and Eleanor are:

i.   John, born December 24, 1166 in Oxford; died October 19, 1216 in Newark; married (3) Isabella D'Angouleme August 24, 1200.

ii.   Eleanor, born 1161; died 1214; married Alfonso 1169.

{ 2097170. Aymer De Valence,} died 1218. He was the son of { 4194340. William} and { 4194341. Marguerite De Turenne}. He married { 20977171. Alice De Courtenay}.
{2097171. Alice De Courtenay}. She was the daughter of { 4194342. Peter} and { 4194343. Elizabeth De Courtenay}.

Child of Aymer De Valence and Alice De Courtenay is:

i.   Isabella D'Angouleme, born 1188; died May 31, 1246; married (1) Hugh De Lusignan; married (2) John August 24, 1200.
{ 2097172. Alfonso,} died 1209. He was the son of { 4194344. Alfonso} and { 4194345. Sancha}. He married { 2097173. Gersenda} 1193.
{ 2097173. Gersenda}. She was the daughter of { 4194346. Rainou}.

Child of Alfonso and Gersenda is:

i.   Raymond, born 1195; died August 19, 1245; married Beatrice Abt. June 05, 1219.

{ 2097174. Thomas,} born May 20, 1177; died March 01, 1232/33. He was the son of { 4194348. Humber} and { 4194349. Beatrix}. He married { 2097175. Margaret} May 1195.
{ 2097175. Margaret,} born Abt. 1180; died April 08, 1257 in Pierre Chatel. She was the daughter of { 4194350. William}.

Child of Thomas and Margaret is:

i.   Beatrice, died 1266; married Raymond Abt. June 05, 1219.

{ 2097412. John de Burgh}. He was the son of { 4194824. Baudouin de Burgh}.

Child of John de Burgh is:

i.   Herluin De Burgh, born Abt. 1001 in Conteville, France; married (1) Frendsendis; married (2) Arletta Herleuva.



{ Generation No. 23}

{ 4194336. Geoffrey Plantagenet,} born August 24, 1113; died September 07, 1151. He was the son of { 8388672. Fulk} and { 8388673. Erembourg}. He married { 4194337. Matilda} April 03, 1127.
{ 4194337. Matilda,} born 1104; died September 10, 1167. She was the daughter of { 8388674. Henry} and { 8388675. Matilda}.

Children of Geoffrey Plantagenet and Matilda are:

i.   Hamelin Plantagenet, died May 07, 1202; married Isabelle De Warenne 1163.
ii.   Henry Plantagenet, born March 05, 1132/33; died July 06, 1189; married (2) Eleanor May 18.

{ 4194338. William,} born 1099; died April 09, 1137. He was the son of { 8388676. William} and { 8388677. Maud}. He married { 4194339. Eleanor De Chastellerault} 1121.
{ 4194339. Eleanor De Chastellerault}. She was the daughter of { 8388678. Almeric} and { 8388679. Dangerose}.

Child of William and Eleanor De Chastellerault is:

i.   Eleanor, born 1123; died 1204; married Henry Plantagenet May 18.

{ 4194340. William,} died 1178. He was the son of { 8388680. Wulgrim}. He married { 4194341. Marguerite De Turenne}.
{ 4194341. Marguerite De Turenne}. She was the daughter of { 8388682. Raymond} and { 8388683. Maud De Perche}.

Child of William and Marguerite De Turenne is:

i.   Aymer De Valence, died 1218; married Alice De Courtenay.

{ 4194342. Peter,} born Abt. 1125; died Bef. 1183. He was the son of { 8388684. Louis} and { 8388685. Adelaide}. He married { 4194343. Elizabeth De Courtenay}.
{ 4194343. Elizabeth De Courtenay}. She was the daughter of { 8388686. Renaud De Courtenay} and { 8388687. Du Donjon}.

Child of Peter and Elizabeth De Courtenay is:

i.   Alice De Courtenay, married Aymer De Valence.

{ 4194344. Alfonso,} born 1152; died 1196. He was the son of { 8388688. Raymond} and { 8388689. Petronilla}. He married { 4194345. Sancha} 1175.
{ 4194345. Sancha,} died 1208. She was the daughter of { 8388690. Alfonso} and { 8388691. Richilde}.

Child of Alfonso and Sancha is:

i.   Alfonso, died 1209; married Gersenda 1193.

{ 4194346. Rainou}.

Child of Rainou is:

i.   Gersenda, married Alfonso 1193.

{ 4194348. Humber}. He married { 4194349. Beatrix}.
{ 4194349. Beatrix}.

Child of Humber and Beatrix is:

i.   Thomas, born May 20, 1177; died March 01, 1232/33; married Margaret May 1195.

{ 4194350. William,} born 1130; died July 27, 1195. He was the son of { 8388700. Amadeus} and { 8388701. Matilda}.

Child of William is:

i.   Margaret, born Abt. 1180; died April 08, 1257 in Pierre Chatel; married Thomas May 1195.

{ 4194824. Baudouin de Burgh}. He was the son of { 8389648. Baudouin de Burgh}.

Child of Baudouin de Burgh is:

i.   John de Burgh.



                                                        { Generation No. 24}

{ 8388672. Fulk,} born 1092; died November 10, 1143 in Jerusalem. He was the son of { 16777344. Fulk} and { 16777345. Bertrade}. He married { 8388673. Erembourg} 1110.
{ 8388673. Erembourg,} died 1126. She was the daughter of { 16777346. Helias}.

Children of Fulk and Erembourg are:

i.   Geoffrey Plantagenet, born August 24, 1113; died September 07, 1151; married
     Matilda April 03, 1127.
ii.   Sybil, married Thierry 1131.

{ 8388674. Henry,} born 1070; died December 01, 1135. He was the son of { 16777348. William II} and { 16777349. Matilda}. He married { 8388675. Matilda}November 11, 1100.
{ 8388675. Matilda,} born 1079; died May 01, 1118. She was the daughter of { 16777350. Malcolm} and { 16777351. Margaret}.

Child of Henry and Nest is:

i.   Henry Fitz Henry, born Abt. 1105; died 1157.

Children of Henry are:

i.   Maud, married Conan.
ii.   Matilda, born 1086; died November 25, 1120; married Routrou.
      Notes for Matilda:
      Matilda was a natural daughter of King Henry I of England (probably by a mistress, although       this is not explicitly stated by Weis; Henry I had issue by a number of mistresses). It is not       known whether Robert De Caen or Maud were half- or full- brother and sister to Matilda.

iii.   Robert De Caen, born Abt. 1090; died October 31, 1147 in Bristol; married Maud.

Child of Henry is:

i.   Elizabeth, married Fergus.

Child of Henry and Matilda is:

i.   Matilda, born 1104; died September 10, 1167; married Geoffrey Plantagenet April 03, 1127.

{ 8388676. William,} born 1061-1071; died February 10, 1126/27. He was the son of { 16777352. William} and { 16777353. Hildegarde}. He married { 8388677. Maud} 1094.
{ 8388677. Maud,} died November 28, 1117. She was the daughter of { 16777354. William} and { 16777355. Emma De Mortain}.

Children of William and Maud are:

i.   William, born 1099; died April 09, 1137; married Eleanor De Chastellerault 1121.
ii.   Maud, married Ramiro.

{ 8388678. Almeric,} died 1136. He was the son of { 16777356. Boso} and { 16777357. Eleanor De Thouars}. He married { 8388679. Dangerose}.
{ 8388679. Dangerose}.

Child of Almeric and Dangerose is:

i.   Eleanor De Chastellerault, married William 1121.

{ 8388680. Wulgrim}.

Child of Wulgrim is:

i.   William, died 1178; married Marguerite De Turenne.

{ 8388682. Raymond,} died Abt. 1122. He was the son of { 16777364. Boso}. He married { 8388683. Maud De Perche}.
{ 8388683. Maud De Perche,} born 1105; died 1143. She was the daughter of { 16777366. Routrou} and { 16777367. Matilda}.

Child of Raymond and Maud De Perche is:

i.   Marguerite De Turenne, married William.

{ 8388684. Louis,} born 1077-1078; died August 04, 1137. He was the son of { 16777368. Philip} and { 16777369. Bertha}. He married {8388685. Adelaide} 1114-1120.
{ 8388685. Adelaide,} born 1092; died 1154. She was the daughter of { 16777370. Humbert} and { 16777371. Gisele}.

Children of Louis and Adelaide are:

i.   Louis, born 1120; died September 18, 1180; married Alix November 13, 1160.
ii.   Robert, born Abt. 1123; died 1188; married Agnes De Vaudemont 1152.
iii.   Peter, born Abt. 1125; died Bef. 1183; married Elizabeth De Courtenay.

{ 8388686. Renaud De Courtenay,} died Abt. 1190. He was the son of { 16777372. Miles} and { 16777373. Ermengard De Nevers}. He married { 8388687. Du Donjon}.
{ 8388687. Du Donjon}. She was the daughter of { 16777374. Frederick Du Donjon
and Corbeil}.

Child of Renaud De Courtenay and Du Donjon is:

i.   Elizabeth De Courtenay, married Peter.

{ 8388688. Raymond,} died 1162. He married { 8388689. Petronilla} 1151.
{ 8388689. Petronilla,} born 1135; died 1172. She was the daughter of { 16777378. Ramiro} and { 16777379. Maud}.

Child of Raymond and Petronilla is:

i.   Alfonso, born 1152; died 1196; married Sancha 1175.

{ 8388690. Alfonso,} born 1103. He was the son of { 16777380. Raymond} and { 16777381. Urraca}. He married { 8388691. Richilde} 1152.
{ 8388691. Richilde,} died Bef. 1176. She was the daughter of { 16777382. Vladislas} and
{ 16777383. Agnes De Babenburg}.

Children of Alfonso and Berenguela are:

i.   Fernando, died 1188; married Urraca 1160.
ii.   Sancho, died 1158; married Blanche.

Child of Alfonso and Richilde is:

i.   Sancha, died 1208; married Alfonso 1175.
{ 8388700. Amadeus,} born 1100; died June 26, 1178. He was the son of { 16777400. Aimon} and { 16777401. Ida}. He married { 8388701. Matilda}.
{ 8388701. Matilda,} died Bef. July 02, 1137.

Child of Amadeus and Matilda is:

i.   William, born 1130; died July 27, 1195.

{ 8389648. Baudouin de Burgh}. He was the son of { 16779296. Godfroi de Burgh}.

Child of Baudouin de Burgh is:

i.   Baudouin de Burgh.



                                                 { Generation No. 25}
{ 16777344. Fulk,} born 1043; died April 14, 1109. He was the son of { 33554688. Aubri-Geoffrey} and { 33554689. Ermengarde}. He married { 16777345. Bertrade}.
{ 16777345. Bertrade}. She was the daughter of { 33554690. Simon} and
{ 33554691. Agnes D'Evreux}.

Child of Fulk and Bertrade is:

i.   Fulk, born 1092; died November 10, 1143 in Jerusalem; married Erembourg 1110.

Child of Fulk and Hildegarde De Baugency is:

i.   Ermengarde, died June 01, 1147; married Alan.

{ 16777346. Helias}.

Child of Helias is:

i.   Erembourg, died 1126; married Fulk 1110.

{ 16777348. William II,} born 1027 in Falise; died September 09, 1087 in Rouen. He was the son of { 33554696. Robert} and { 33554697. Arletta Herleuva}. He married { 16777349. Matilda}.
{ 16777349. Matilda,} born 1032; died November 03, 1083. She was the daughter of
{ 33554698. Baldwin} and { 33554699. Adele De France}.

Child of William II is:

i.   William III.

Children of William and Matilda are:

i.   Henry, born 1070; died December 01, 1135; married (1) Nest; married (4) Matilda
     November 11, 1100.
ii.   Adela, born Abt. 1062; died 1137; married Stephen.
iii.   William Rufus, died August 02, 1100 in New Forest, Cheshire, England.
iv.   Robert II.

{ 16777350. Malcolm,} born 1031; died November 13, 1093 in Alnwick Castle. He was the son of { 33554700. Duncan} and { 33554701. (Daughter Of Siward}. He married { 16777351. Margaret} 1068-1069 in Dunfermline.
{ 16777351. Margaret,} born 1045; died November 16, 1093. She was the daughter of
{ 33554702. Edward} and { 33554703. Agatha}.

Child of Malcolm and Ingibiorg is:

i.   Duncan, born 1060; died November 12, 1094; married Athelreda Abt. 1094.

Children of Malcolm and Margaret are:

i.   David, born Abt. 1080; died May 24, 1154 in Carlisle;
     married Maud De Huntington Abt. 1113.
ii.   Mary, died May 31, 1116; married Eustace 1102.
iii.   Matilda, born 1079; died May 01, 1118; married Henry November 11, 1100.

{ 16777352. William,} born Abt. 1026; died September 25, 1086. He was the son of { 33554704. William}. He married { 16777353. Hildegarde} Abt. 1068.
{ 16777353. Hildegarde}.

Child of William and Hildegarde is:

i.   William, born 1061-1071; died February 10, 1126/27; married Maud 1094.
{ 16777354. William,} died 1093. He was the son of { 33554708. Pons} and
{ 33554709. Arlette}. He married { 16777355. Emma De Mortain} 1080.
{ 16777355. Emma De Mortain}. She was the daughter of { 33554710. Robert De Mortain} and { 33554711. Maud De Montgomery}.

Child of William and Emma De Mortain is:

i. Maud, died November 28, 1117; married William 1094.

{ 16777356. Boso,} died 1092. He was the son of { 33554712. Hugh De Chastellerault} and { 33554713. Gerberga De La Rochefoucauld}. He married { 16777357. Eleanor De Thouars} 1075.

{ 16777357. Eleanor De Thouars}. She was the daughter of { 33554714. Aimery} and { 33554715. Aurengarde De Mauleon}.

Child of Boso is:

i.   Raymond, died Abt. 1122; married Maud De Perche.

Child of Boso and Eleanor De Thouars is:

i.   Almeric, died 1136; married Dangerose.

{ 16777364. Boso,} died 1092. He was the son of { 33554728. Hugh De Chastellerault} and
{ 33554729. Gerberga De La Rochefoucauld}.

Child of Boso is:

i.   Raymond, died Abt. 1122; married Maud De Perche.

Child of Boso and Eleanor De Thouars is:

i.   Almeric, died 1136; married Dangerose.

{ 16777366. Routrou,} died April 1144. He was the son of { 33554732. Geoffrey} and { 33554733. Beatrix De Montdidier}. He married { 16777367. Matilda}.
{ 16777367. Matilda,} born 1086; died November 25, 1120. She was the daughter of
{ 33554734. Henry}.

Notes for Matilda:
Matilda was a natural daughter of King Henry I of England (probably by a mistress, although this is not explicitly stated by Weis; Henry I had issue by a number of mistresses). It is not known whether Robert De Caen or Maud were half- or full- brother and sister to Matilda.

Child of Routrou and Matilda is:

i.   Maud De Perche, born 1105; died 1143; married Raymond.

{ 16777368. Philip,} born 1053; died July 29, 1108. He was the son of { 33554736. Henry} and { 33554737. Anne}. He married { 16777369. Bertha}.

{ 16777369. Bertha,} died 1093.

Child of Philip and Bertha is:

i.   Louis, born 1077-1078; died August 04, 1137; married Adelaide 1114-1120.

{ 16777370. Humbert}. He married { 16777371. Gisele}.
{ 16777371. Gisele}.

Child of Humbert and Gisele is:

i.   Adelaide, born 1092; died 1154; married Louis 1114-1120.

{ 16777372. Miles,} died 1127. He was the son of { 33554744. Jocelin De Courtenay} and
{ 33554745. Isabel}. He married { 16777373. Ermengard De Nevers}.

{ 16777373. Ermengard De Nevers}. She was the daughter of { 33554746. Renaud} and {33554747. Ida}.

Child of Miles and Ermengard De Nevers is:

i.   Renaud De Courtenay, died Abt. 1190; married Du Donjon.

{ 16777374.  Frederick Du Donjon And Corbeil}.

Child of Frederick Du Donjon And Corbeil is:

i.  Du Donjon, married Renaud De Courtenay.

{ 16777378.  Ramiro,} died 1147. He married { 16777379. Maud}.
{ 16777379.  Maud}. She was the daughter of { 33554758. William} and { 33554759. Maud}.

Child of Ramiro and Maud is:

i.   Petronilla, born 1135; died 1172; married Raymond 1151.

{ 16777380.  Raymond,} died 1107. He was the son of { 33554760. William} and
{ 33554761. Stephanie}. He married { 16777381. Urraca}.

{ 16777381.  Urraca,} died 1126. She was the daughter of { 33554762. Alfonso} and
{ 33554763. Constance}.

Child of Raymond and Urraca is:

i.   Alfonso, born 1103; married (1) Berenguela 1124; married (2) Richilde 1152.

{ 16777382.  Vladislas,} died May 30, 1159. He was the son of { 33554764. Boleslas} and
{ 33554765. Zbyslava}. He married { 16777383. Agnes De Babenburg} Abt. 1126.

{ 16777383.  Agnes De Babenburg,} born Abt. 1111; died January 25, 1156/57. She was the daughter of { 33554766. Leopold} and { 33554767. Agnes}.

Child of Vladislas and Agnes De Babenburg is:

i.   Richilde, died Bef. 1176; married Alfonso 1152.

{ 16777400.  Aimon,} born Abt. 1050. He was the son of { 33554800. Gerald} and
{ 33554801. Thietburga}. He married { 16777401. Ida}.

{ 16777401.  Ida}. She was the daughter of { 33554802. Peter}.

Child of Aimon and Ida is:

i.   Amadeus, born 1100; died June 26, 1178; married Matilda.

{ 16779296.  Godfroi de Burgh}.

Child of Godfroi de Burgh is:

i.   Baudouin de Burgh.



                                                        {Generation No. 26}

{ 33554688.  Aubri-Geoffrey}. He married { 33554689. Ermengarde}.

{ 33554689.   Ermengarde}.

Child of Aubri-Geoffrey and Ermengarde is:

i.   Fulk, born 1043; died April 14, 1109; married (1) Bertrade; married (2) Hildegarde De Baugency.

{ 33554690.   Simon}. He married { 33554691. Agnes D'Evreux}.

{ 33554691.  Agnes D'Evreux}.

Child of Simon and Agnes D'Evreux is:

i.   Bertrade, married Fulk.

{ 33554696.  Robert,} died 1035. He was the son of { 67109392. Richard III}. He married
{ 33554697. Arletta Herleuva}.

{ 33554697.  Arletta Herleuva}. She was the daughter of { 67109394. Fulbert de Falaise} and
{ 67109395. Doda}.

Children of Robert and Arletta Herleuva are:

i.   William II, born 1027 in Falise; died September 09, 1087 in Rouen; married (2) Matilda.
ii.   Adelaide Ponthieu, married Lambert Boulogne Abt. 1053 in Normandy, France.

{ 33554698.  Baldwin}. He married { 33554699. Adele De France}.
{ 33554699.  Adele De France}.

Child of Baldwin and Adele De France is:

i.   Matilda, born 1032; died November 03, 1083; married William II.

{ 33554700.  Duncan}. He married { 33554701. ??(Daughter Of Siward}.
{ 33554701.  ??(Daughter Of Siward}. She was the daughter of { 67109402. Siward}.

Child of Duncan and (Daughter Siward is:

i.   Malcolm, born 1031; died November 13, 1093 in Alnwick Castle; married (1) Ingibiorg;      married (2) Margaret 1068-1069 in Dunfermline.

{ 33554702.  Edward}. He married { 33554703. Agatha}.
{ 33554703.  Agatha}.

Child of Edward and Agatha is:

i.   Margaret, born 1045; died November 16, 1093; married Malcolm 1068-1069 in Dunfermline.

{ 33554704.  William}.

Child of William is:

i.   William, born Abt. 1026; died September 25, 1086; married Hildegarde Abt. 1068.

{ 33554708.  Pons}. He married { 33554709. Arlette}.
{ 33554709.  Arlette}.

Child of Pons and Arlette is:

i. William, died 1093; married Emma De Mortain 1080.

{ 33554710.} { Robert De Mortain}. He married { 33554711. Maud De Montgomery}.
{ 33554711.} { Maud De Montgomery}.

Child of Robert De Mortain and Maud De Montgomery is:

i.   Emma De Mortain, married William 1080.

{ 33554712.  Hugh De Chastellerault}. He married { 33554713. Gerberga De La Rochefoucauld}.

{ 33554713. Gerberga De La Rochefoucauld}.

Child of Hugh De Chastellerault and Gerberga De La Rochefoucauld is:

i.   Boso, died 1092; married (2) Eleanor De Thouars 1075.

{ 33554714. Aimery}. He married { 33554715. Aurengarde De Mauleon}.

{ 33554715. Aurengarde De Mauleon}.

Child of Aimery and Aurengarde De Mauleon is:

i.   Eleanor De Thouars, married Boso 1075.}

{ 33554728. Hugh De Chastellerault}. He married { 33554729. Gerberga De La Rochefoucauld}.

{ 33554729. Gerberga De La Rochefoucauld}.

Child of Hugh De Chastellerault and Gerberga De La Rochefoucauld is:

i.   Boso, died 1092; married (2) Eleanor De Thouars 1075.

{ 33554732. Geoffrey,} died 1100. He was the son of { 67109464. Routrou} and { 67109465. Adeline De Domfront}. He married { 33554733. Beatrix De Montdidier}.

{ 33554733. Beatrix De Montdidier}. She was the daughter of {67109466. Hildouin} and { 67109467. Alix De Roucy}.

Children of Geoffrey and Beatrix De Montdidier are:

i.   Margaret De Perche, married Henry De Newburgh Bef. 1100.

ii.   Routrou, died April 1144; married Matilda. { 33554734.} { Henry,} born 1070; died December 01, 1135. He was the son of { 67109468. William II} and { 67109469. Matilda}. Child of Henry and Nest is:

i.   Henry Fitz Henry, born Abt. 1105; died 1157.

Children of Henry are:

i.   Maud, married Conan.

ii.   Matilda, born 1086; died November 25, 1120; married Routrou.

iii.   Robert De Caen, born Abt. 1090; died October 31, 1147 in Bristol; married Maud.

Child of Henry is:

i.   Elizabeth, married Fergus.

Child of Henry and Matilda is:

i.   Matilda, born 1104; died September 10, 1167; married Geoffrey Plantagenet April 03, 1127.

{ 33554736. Henry,} died August 04, 1060. He was the son of { 67109472. Robert} and { 67109473. Constance}. He married { 33554737. Anne} May 19, 1051.

{ 33554737. Anne,} died Aft. 1075. She was the daughter of { 67109474. Jaroslav} and { 67109475. Ingegard}.

Children of Henry and Anne are:

i.   Hugh, died 1101; married Adelaide De Vermandois.

ii.   Philip, born 1053; died July 29, 1108; married Bertha.

{ 33554744. Jocelin De Courtenay}. He married { 33554745. Isabel}.

{ 33554745. Isabel}.

Child of Jocelin De Courtenay and Isabel is:

i.   Miles, died 1127; married Ermengard De Nevers.

{ 33554746. Renaud}. He married { 33554747. Ida}.

{ 33554747. Ida}.

Child of Renaud and Ida is:

i.   Ermengard De Nevers, married Miles.

{ 33554758. William,} born 1061-1071; died February 10, 1126/27. He was the son of { 67109516. William} and { 67109517. Hildegarde}. He married { 33554759. Maud} 1094.

{ 33554759. Maud,} died November 28, 1117. She was the daughter of { 67109518. William} and { 67109519. Emma De Mortain}.

Children of William and Maud are:

i.   William, born 1099; died April 09, 1137; married Eleanor De Chastellerault 1121.

ii.   Maud, married Ramiro.

{ 33554760. William,} died 1087. He was the son of { 67109520. Raynald} and { 67109521. Judith}. He married { 33554761. Stephanie}.

{ 33554761. Stephanie}.

Children of William and Stephanie are:

i.   Raymond, died 1107; married Urraca.

ii.   Ermentrude, married Thierry 1076.

{ 33554762. Alfonso,} born 1030; died 1109. He was the son of { 67109524. Fernando}. He married { 33554763. Constance}.

{ 33554763. Constance,} died 1092. She was the daughter of { 67109526. Robert} and { 67109527. Eleanor}.

Child of Alfonso and Constance is:

i.   Urraca, died 1126; married Raymond.

{ 33554764. Boleslas}. He married { 33554765. Zbyslava}.

{ 33554765. Zbyslava}.

Child of Boleslas and Zbyslava is:

i.   Vladislas, died May 30, 1159; married Agnes De Babenburg Abt. 1126.

{ 33554766. Leopold}. He married { 33554767. Agnes}.

{ 33554767. Agnes}.

Child of Leopold and Agnes is:

i.   Agnes De Babenburg, born Abt. 1111; died January 25, 1156/57; married Vladislas Abt. 1126.

{ 33554800. Gerald}. He married { 33554801. Thietburga}.

{ 33554801. Thietburga}.

Child of Gerald and Thietburga is:

i.   Aimon, born Abt. 1050; married Ida.

{ 33554802. Peter}.

Child of Peter is:

i.   Ida, married Aimon.



                                                    { Generation No. 27}

{67109392.  Richard III}. He was the son of { 134218784. Richard II}.

Child of Richard III is:

i.   Robert, died 1035; married Arletta Herleuva.

{ 67109394.  Fulbert de Falaise}. He married { 67109395. Doda}.
{ 67109395.  Doda}.

Child of Fulbert de Falaise and Doda is:

i.   Arletta Herleuva, married (1) Robert; married (2) Herluin De Burgh.

{ 67109402.  Siward}.

Child of Siward is:

i.  ??(Daughter Of Siward, married Duncan.

{ 67109464.  Routrou}. He married { 67109465. Adeline De Domfront}.
{67109465.  Adeline De Domfront}.

Child of Routrou and Adeline De Domfront is:

i.   Geoffrey, died 1100; married Beatrix De Montdidier.

{ 67109466.  Hildouin}. He married { 67109467. Alix De Roucy}.
{ 67109467.  Alix De Roucy}. She was the daughter of { 134218934. Ebles} and
                     { 134218935. Beatrix}.

Child of Hildouin and Alix De Roucy is:

i.   Beatrix De Montdidier, married Geoffrey.

{ 67109468.  William II,} born 1027 in Falise; died September 09, 1087 in Rouen. He was the son of { 134218936. Robert} and { 134218937. Arletta Herleuva}. He married
{ 67109469. Matilda}.
{ 67109469.  Matilda,} born 1032; died November 03, 1083. She was the daughter of
                                  { 134218938. Baldwin} and { 134218939. Adele De France}.

Child of William II is:

i.   William II.

Children of William and Matilda are:

i.   Henry, born 1070; died December 01, 1135; married (1) Nest;
     married (4) Matilda November 11, 1100.
ii.   Adela, born Abt. 1062; died 1137; married Stephen.
iii.   William Rufus, died August 02, 1100 in New Forest, Cheshire, England.
iv.   Robert II.

{ 67109472. Robert}. He married { 67109473. Constance}.
{ 67109473. Constance}.

Child of Robert and Constance is:

i.   Henry, died August 04, 1060; married Anne 19 May 1051.

{ 67109474. Jaroslav}. He married { 67109475. Ingegard}.
{ 67109475. Ingegard}.

Child of Jaroslav and Ingegard is:

i.   Anne, died Aft. 1075; married Henry 19 May 1051.

{ 67109516. William,} born Abt. 1026; died September 25, 1086. He was the son of
{ 134219032. William}. He married { 67109517. Hildegarde} Abt. 1068.
{ 67109517. Hildegarde}.

Child of William and Hildegarde is:

i.   William, born 1061-1071; died February 10, 1126/27; married Maud 1094.

{ 67109518. William,} died 1093. He was the son of { 134219036. Pons} and
{ 134219037. Arlette}. He married { 67109519. Emma De Mortain} 1080.
{ 67109519. Emma De Mortain}. She was the daughter of { 134219038. Robert De Mortain} and { 134219039. Maud De Montgomery}.

Child of William and Emma De Mortain is:

i.   Maud, died November 28, 1117; married William 1094.

{ 67109520. Raynald}. He married { 67109521. Judith}.
{ 67109521. Judith }.

Child of Raynald and Judith is:

i.   William, died 1087; married Stephanie.

{ 67109524. Fernando}.

Child of Fernando is:

i.   Alfonso, born 1030; died 1109; married Constance.

{ 67109526. Robert}. He married { 67109527. Eleanor}.
{ 67109527. Eleanor}.

Child of Robert and Eleanor is:

i.   Constance, died 1092; married Alfonso.



                                                   { Generation No. 28}

{ 134218784.  Richard II}. He was the son of { 268437568. Richard I}.

Child of Richard II is:

i.  Richard III.

{ 134218934.  Ebles}. He married { 134218935. Beatrix}.
{ 134218935.  Beatrix}.
Child of Ebles and Beatrix is:
i.   Alix De Roucy, married Hildouin.

{ 134218936.  Robert,} died 1035. He was the son of { 268437872. Richard III}. He married
{ 134218937. Arletta Herleuva}.
{ 134218937. Arletta Herleuva}. She was the daughter of { 268437874. Fulbert de Falaise} and
{ 268437875. Doda}.

Children of Robert and Arletta Herleuva are:

i... William II, born 1027 in Falise; died September 09, 1087 in Rouen; married (2) Matilda.

ii.. Adelaide Ponthieu, married Lambert Boulogne Abt. 1053 in Normandy, France.

{ 134218938. Baldwin}. He married { 134218939. Adele De France}.

{ 134218939. Adele De France}.

Child of Baldwin and Adele De France is:

i.   Matilda, born 1032; died November 03, 1083; married William II.

{ 134219032. William}.

Child of William is:

i.   William, born Abt. 1026; died September 25, 1086; married Hildegarde Abt. 1068.

{134219036. Pons}. He married { 134219037. Arlette}.

{ 134219037. Arlette}.

Child of Pons and Arlette is:

i.   William, died 1093; married Emma De Mortain 1080.

{ 134219038. Robert De Mortain}. He married { 134219039. Maud De Montgomery}.

{ 134219039. Maud De Montgomery}.

Child of Robert De Mortain and Maud De Montgomery is:

i.   Emma De Mortain, married William 1080.


                                                      { Generation No. 29}

{ 268437568. Richard I,} died 996. He was the son of { 536875136. William Longsword}.

Child of Richard I is:

i.   Richard II.

{ 268437872. Richard III}. He was the son of { 536875744. Richard II}.

Child of Richard III is:

i.   Robert, died 1035; married Arletta Herleuva.

{ 268437874.} { Fulbert de Falaise}. He married { 268437875. Doda}.

Child of Fulbert de Falaise and Doda is:
{ 134218937 Arletta Herleuva, married (1) Robert; married (2) Herluin De Burgh.



{ Generation No. 30}

{ 536875136.  William Longsword,} died December 17, 942. He was the son of
{ 1073750272. Rollo}.

Child of William Longsword is:  Richard I, died 996.

{ 536875744.  Richard II}. He was the son of { 1073751488. Richard I}.

Child of Richard II is: { 268437872 Richard III }.


                                             { Generation No. 31}

{ 1073750272. Rollo,} born 860; died 931 in Normandy, France. He was the son of {2147466752. Rognvald}.

Child of Rollo is:
i. William Longsword, died December 17, 942.

{1073751488. Richard I,} died 996. He was the son of {2147464320. William Longsword}.

Child of Richard I is: 536875744 Richard II.

Endnotes

Broderderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #3643, Date of Import: Nov 14, 1996


See the following pages for more Baguley info:

Baguley Family of England New historical info on Baguley family.
Baguley Hall More history on Baguleys, progenitors of Bigelow.


Notes:
From: Martha Bowes <mhbowes3@earthlink.net>
Date: 25 Sept 2002
This provides a history that shows Randall Baguley (b. abt 1578 in
Wrentham, Suffolk)'s father as Robert Baguley rather than the Philip
(1544-abt 1600) you show.
If you use the lineage at the pages linked to above (if they are correct),
the line goes back even further, to Sir William de Baguley, b. abt. 1260,
married to Lucy Corona, supposedly an illegitimate daughter of King Edward
II. Loring Bigelow (more on him below) says, "I did dig out my records to
try and help you - Wm. de Baguley that you refer to [b. 1260] - his mother
was dgtr. of Hamon Massey." The register shows  Richard de Baguley, b. 1243
(before Sir William de Baguley mentioned above) having a son Ralph who
married ___ de Massey, daughter of Hamon de Massey. Judging by the dates,
they both could have married daughters of Hamon de Massey. The second
Bigelow Society webpage above has a note, "as to whether Hamon Massy, Baron
of Durham [your register says Dunham] was a direct ancestor of Sir William
de Baggiley (aka: de Baguley) still has to be established. If Loring's
information is right (and I don't know whose is), then Sir William de
Baggiley's wife is the direct descendant of Hamon de Massey.

I know you got your information from Rod so I don't know what to make of the
differences. Maybe you already have sorted it out and put your conclusion

Additionally there are some Baguley gedcoms that can be downloaded from
ancestry.com that appear to be other lines but use some of the same names. I
haven't sat down with it all, and I wonder if anyone is crunching all the
files available with whatever sources are given.
Any thoughts about this  would be most welcome, as it will
help me to put accurate information in my gedcom and leave out anything that
is still up in the air.
Best, Martha



Subject: baguley history
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:39:58 +0800 (W. Australia Standard Time)
From: "anne parry" <stingy109@hotmail.com>
  hello my name is Caine Binja Baguley and i am 15 years old and i am still going to school and i live
 in Nannup (a small country town in the south- west of Western Australia) and i am doing
 some family history on the Baguley family tree and i was hoping that you could help me on this.
 our Family history is that my great-great grand father Frank Baguley born and raised in
 Manchester  migrated to Perth (Fremantle) in Western Australia in 1800's with sons Frank
 Baguley, Richard Baguley, and daughters Amy and Edith. our line is from my great grand father
 Frank Baguley who was 3 years old when he arrived in Australia. he married Rosetta (Rose) and
 they had two sons- Frank Washington and John Richard and two daughters Gail and kerry. My
 grand father is Frank Washington Baguley who married Patricia (my grand mother) and had 3
 sons - Frank William, Steven Peter and Brett Anthony my father is Brett Anthony Baguley who still
 lives in Western Australia. my mother is Melissa my name is Caine Binja Chan Baguley and i
 would appreciate any information you could send me about our family tree.
 thank you Binja
can you reply back to me by e-mail my e-mail address stingy109@hotmail.com

Subject: About Baggiley, Bagley & Begley
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:59:21 -0800
From: "Jim Maguire" <  maguire@concentric.net  >
Dear Rod,
Thank you for the information you provide on your page at : http://bigelow.simplenet.com/Baguley.html
I have a web site part of which is devoted to the Irish surname of Begley & I often get asked about the English Bagley's and Thanks to you I
now have a link to send them to for more information.
Best regards,
Jim Maguire
Home page - http://www.concentric.net/~maguire


Subject: Bigelow site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:04:24 EDT
From: Mary Ellen      MEPopyk@aol.com
Hi Rod, this is your cousin through Patience Bigelow.  I was looking through your site this weekend, there's a lot of new stuff in there since I really dug around in it.  I have a question:  in the Baguley Family Page 5, there is a disclaimer that some of it is unresearched.  I saw on the Baguley History page the line from John to the people at Ollerton Hall.  Is this accurate, to the best of your knowledge?  That chart that was drawn makes me think it's been researched.  The Lucy Corona, daughter of Edward I, where did that info come from?  I can't find her listed even in the info that mentions illegitimate children.  I tried the links on the Baguley History page but they didn't take me anywhere.  Either the server was busy or they no longer are valid links.  I really appreciate your help.  Your website has so much great stuff in it!  Thanks a lot!  Mary Ellen in Memphis


Subject:
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:54:06 +1000
From: "Jim Baguley" <  bagu@dingoblue.net.au  >
Rod,
    James Baguley in Canberra, Australia. Just thought I would start looking up to see what family names I could find. I found your
pages and got the OOPs message.
    A little background might be in order. My great grandfather, Alfred John Baguley came from Manchester, England to Australia
around ?1860?. He settled at Sandy Flat, near Tenterfield in New South Wales. I have not found any connection to Alfred in my
search so far. I was hoping that there may be a link to your tree. If this could be verified it would be great. I will try to find out more
detail to see if it will fill in any missing parts.
Anyway, I hope you appreciate my thoughts.
Thanks
Jim Baguley


Note:
Subject: Families!
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:32:29 -0000
From: "Richard Baguley" <  richardbaguley@hotmail.com  >
 Hi Rod,

Just browsing thru your pages again for anything new and saw the posting on the Baguley Hall page from Pamela Haeussler.

Since making contact with Pamela a while back (she replied to my visitor posting on the Bigelow pages) I have been in correspondence, on and off. It's been great to find another family member and I have passed to Pamela the family tree work done by her father, which my parents had (Irl Baguley visited Ted Baguley, my father, in 1963).  She was very pleased, I think!
I am also now in regular contact with two of Irl Baguley's sons, Norman & Keith, in Michigan and shall send them your web addresses, particularly
Baguley Hall etc.
All of this through yours and the previous work - keep it up!
Regards,
Richard Baguley
Subject: Baguley family
From: Derek Forward -Davies <    derek@forward-davies.freeserve.co.uk   >
Date: 10 May 2000 05:24
     My  neighbour is Peter Baguley and I was printing out the pages of all your entries for him. He has birth certs of his father etc. going back to the 1800s and was taken to Baguley Hall when younger, but he seems to think his family came here from
Staffordshire which is not far from the BAGULEYarea. He's in bed at the moment and can't stand the pace like us owd uns.
My only problem with my search is a man in ontario named Grant William Vallis but his e-mail address given in his family web page keeps bouncing back. I have gone back to 1770 with Vallis name and wondered if we could connect but I can't. You have a great site. I am enjoying it but can't understand why the quarterings have the scythe crest twice. My only relative over there  was buried at Beacon Hill, Saskat. I hope to see the grave one day but time is running out. I was on my way during the war as evacuee but ship got sunk off Northern Ireland or I may have been closer than I am now.
Derek Forward - Davies



Subject: Baguley
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:17:04 +0100
From: "Brenda Hitchen" <   brenda123@hitchen123.freeserve.co.uk   >

AS MY MAIDEN NAME WAS BAGULEY I DECIDED TO LOOK THE NAME UP ON THE INTERNET BUT AS A COMPLETE NOVICE I JUST BLUNDERED AROUND READING YOUR FAMILY HISTORY AND CAME UPON "00PS" PAGE. I HAVE NOT STARTED TO RESEARCH THE NAME YET, BUT I ONLY KNOW MY GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS ARTHUR HARRY BAGULEY FROM MANCHESTER.
 BRENDA (THAT WAS) BAGULEY.
baguley2.htm is no longer valid............................ROD

Subject: Baguley
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:56:17 +1000
From:Chris Baguley    Safariboy@telstra.com
Dear Rod, my name is Chris Baguley, and I live in Sydney Australia, I have been interested in finding my genealogy for quite some time now,and being on the internet i finally have the resourse available to do it with ease..it appears that the Bigelow name is the same as Baguley, which is something I did not previously know, however I did know about the towns of Baguley near Manchester England..anyway, if you  could possibly get back to me with some family details it would be gr8ly appreciated..
regards, chris



Name: Tracey Baguley
E-Mail: marsh1@ntlworld.co.uk
Location: England
Comments:
                        I have been researching our family tree after Karen Dore contacted my
                        mother. We are a family of Baguley in Stafford, Staffordshire although I know
                        my grandfather or great grandfather was from Sheffield. Both their names
                        were Charles John Baguley although my grandfather was known as "Jack" and
                        was born circa 1900 (died 1985). He married a lady called Anne and had two
                        sons, Brian George and Raymond. My father Brian George Baguley was born
                        26.9.1949 and passed away on 20.9.1984. His brother Raymond lives in
                        Cannock now, but we have had no contact with him since my father died. My
                        mother has since remarried a Marshall who was also previously married to a
                        Bagley in Nottingham. I am currently trying to link ourselves to Baguley in
                        Manchester and "yes" Baguley Hall is still there, although the town of Baguley
                        itself is in a place called Wythenshaw which has quite a bad reputation. I
                        know Karen Dore has been researching this line too, but I hope this
                        information is of use to you.


Name: Karen Dore
E-Mail: karen.dore@virgin.net
Location: Derbyshire, England
Comments:
                        I have read your website with great interest as my Mother was a Baguley.
                        She was due to start to trace her Father's family history Christmas 2000
                        following her retirement but sadly died 11 December. Therefore I have started
                        to trace our Baguley line; which at first was quite daunting, but with the help
                        and support of websites, like yours, and local lists I think I am getting there.
                        Keep up the good work.


From Virginia Baguley Family in Virginia and Georgia, USA: see link:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/bagley/

William's father was Peter Bagley born ca 1708 in Southwark, Surry county, Va. and died Oct 1758 in Albemarle, Sussex county, Va. Peter's wife is unknown.

Peter's parent's were John Bagley born ca 1683 in Surry county or Isle of Wight county, Va. and died Feb 1736/7 Southmark, Surry county, Va. John married
Elizabeth ?

John's father was Peter Bagley born ca 1658 in Isle of Wight county, Va. and died Dec 1735 in Southwark, Surry county,Va. Peter married unknown.

Peter's parent's were Peter Bagley born ca 1608 in England(probably Siddington) and died June 1665 in Isle of Wight county,Va. Peter married Wilkin ?

Peter's parent's were Hugh BAGULEY born ca 1580 in Martin, England and died in Dec 1629 in Siddington, England. Hugh married Anne Chauntrell Feb 2,
1601 in Macclesfield, England.Anne died on 1629 and is buried at Martin Chapell in Siddington, England. Hugh and Anne had children-Edward born Oct 1605 in
Martin, Eng.-died Dec 1605 in Martin, Eng.,Catherine born ?,died Feb 17, 1606/7 in Martin, Eng.,Peter (our ancestor),Anne born Oct 1609, Robert born Oct
1613 in Siddington, Eng.,and William born Sep 13, 1619.

Hugh's parent's were Robert Baguley born ca 1550-died Aug 28, 1590 in Norbury and buried at Stockport, Eng. Robert married Margaret ?. Margaret born
?-died Jan 1, 1597/8 in Siddington, England.

Robert has a brother George who married Jane Aston and three sister's Elizabeth, Katherine and Elin.

Robert Baguley's father was Nicholas Baguley born ?-died 1558.

Nicholas Baguley's father was Ralph Baguley born 1500-died 1540 and his wife Ciceley Massey(Ciceley's father was Hamon Massey).

Ralph Baguley's parents were Richard Baguley and his wife, Alice Vernon(She got Oilerton Hall through marriage)(her father was Ralph De Vernon).

Richard Baguley parents were Sir John Baguley and his wife Ellen.

Sir John Baguley's parents were Sir William Baguley and his wife Clementia Cheadle(her father was Rodger Cheadle).

Sir William Baguley's parents were (first) Sir William Baguley and Lucy Corona (Lucy was daughter of King Edward I Plantagenet, She was born out of wedlock).

(first) Sir William Baguley's parents were Ralph De Baguley and Joesia Massey(her father was Hamon Massey, Baron of Dunham Massey).

Ralph Baguley's father was Richard Baguley, Lord of Baguley born 1243.

For info you may contact email: chiefsam@webtv.net

For other family line's go to http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gaancestors or http://www.angelfire.com/ga/hallco



Another possibility:
Randall BAGULEY b. 1518, of Ollerton Hall, Cheshire, Eng; m. Eleanor ???
They had a son, Robert, b. ca 1556.
Carol Davies CDa9458691@cs.com

Randall Baguley b. 1518 of Ollerton Hall, Cheshire, Eng, d. 1556, Ollerton Hall; m. Eleanor ??
He was the son of:
Ralph Baguley b. 1500, of Ollerton Hall; d. 1540; m. Ciceley Massey b. ca 1502, Eng; dau of Hamon Massey.
Ralph was the son of:
Richard Baguley b. ca 1474, of Ollerton Hall; m. Alice Vernon; dau of Ralph De Vernon.
Richard was the son of:
Sir John Baguley who m. Ellen ??
He was the son of:
Sir William Baguley; m. Clementia Cheadle.
He was the son of:
Sir William Baguley; m. Lucy Corona; dau of Edward Plantagenet-King Edward I of Eng. ("Longshanks," of "Braveheart" fame.)
Sir William was the son of:
Ralph De Baguley; m. Joesia Massey.
He was the son of Richard De Baguley b. 1243, Lord of Baguley.

Lucy Corona's (see below) father was Edward Plantagenet, King Edward I, b. 17 Jun 1239, Westminister. do not have the name of her mother. His parents were King Henry III, b. 10 Oct 1206, Westminister and Eleanor Provence, b. ca 1217, France. Henry's parents were John 'Lackland' and Isabella of Angouleme. Eleanor's parents were Raymond IV Berenger and Beatrice of Savoy.
None of the above is proved


Subject: Bigelow site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:04:24 EDT
From: Mary Ellen      MEPopyk@aol.com
Hi Rod, this is your cousin through Patience Bigelow.  I was looking through your site this weekend, there's a lot of new stuff in there since I really
dug around in it.  I have a question:  in the Baguley Family Page 5, there is a disclaimer that some of it is unresearched.  I saw on the Baguley History page the line from John to the people at Ollerton Hall.  Is this accurate, to the best of your knowledge?  That chart that was drawn makes me think it's been researched.  The Lucy Corona, daughter of Edward I, where did that info come from?  I can't find her listed even in the info that mentions
illegitimate children.  I tried the links on the Baguley History page but they didn't take me anywhere.  Either the server was busy or they no longer are valid links.  I really appreciate your help.  Your website has so much great stuff in it!  Thanks a lot!  Mary Ellen in Memphis



Subject: Lucy Corona mess
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:46:42 -0000
From:    "Barry Baguley" < grantron@btinternet.com   >
Hi Rod,

Your page Baguley Page 5, that is still on the web, has given me lots of problems. It would seem that the whole page was attrbuted to me when it
clearly was not my page. In particular the mention of the Royal connection through Lucy Carona. The first time that I heard that statement was from seeing the family tree from Cecelia M Johnson-Baguley. As far as I know Lucy Coroun (Corona), daughter of who knows?  was the wife of Hugh De Coroun of Adlynton
(Died 1291). Lucy then married Sir William de Baggiley. I would like to know how this doubtful parentage of Royalty came to be so widely proposed without any back up detail? I hope that you can shed some detail on this point. Barry

I apologize for any misinformation and misattribution on this page. I did say this was a work in progress. The info started with a file from Barry and he is right, that some of the information has nothing to do with him....................................ROD


Corona mess2:
Subject:  just entered the Bigelow world but I know Cheshire somewhat?on L. Corona
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:22:49 EST
From: Afwmir@aol.com

Sorry to bug you. I just entered the Bigelow world today (he just sent me the e-mail today so I made a quick look at ancestry.com) with the help of a genealogist in New York where I was stuck. I have done a good amount of work in Cheshire over the past year on other lines and neither of the two standard texts-- Ormond or Earwacher say that Lucy is from Edward 1. History of Cheshire, page 654, Earwacher-- Lucy, daughter of-------, living a widow 10 Edw. 2. (qy. married 2dly, sir William Baggylegh, kt.). Her first husband was Hugh de Coroun. Where did you find that she is the daughter of Edw. 1?
more:
The family goes into De Hutton's---> De Lacy's ----> De Clare's. The De Lacy is the Constable of Cheshire. There is probably a legitamate royal tie-in along that route. I'll work it out after Christmas if you'd like and we'll see.



New Note:
From: Nora Bartlett <  n.bartlett@shaw.ca  >
Date: 12/28/02 7:08:03 AM
As an aside.  This is very interesting to me, because I come
from a long line of Marslands who were tenants at Baguley Hall through the
1700-1900's.
My folks began with  William Marsland.  And this has been the
only page I've ever found that has a history of the people who owned the Hall.
Now I have found another descendent of John Marsland 1791? who
wants to know more about the hall and I shall pass the web site address.
Nora


Subject: Baguley/Bigelow family
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:55:41 -0600
From: "andrea.pendleton" <andrea.pendleton@wku.edu>
I, too, am a decendant of the Baguley and Bigelow families. My mother has done
a lot of research on our family and we have come to a discovery with the Lucas
family having ties to yours. If you are interested in the information, please
notify me and I will gladly provide you with such. I am very excited to hear
from you. Sincerely, Andrea Pendleton

Lucy Note:
Subject: Baguley Family
From: Steve Aderholdt   loungeleviathan@hotmail.com  
Lutherville,Maryland

Date: 05/24/2004
Rod,

Hello. I recently saw your site on the Bigelow/Baguley family. I descend from this family,from Ellin Baguley who married John Leigh(Venables).
On your chart of the Descent of Baguley/Bigelow family in England (http://bigelowsociety.com/rod/baghist1.htm) you have Ellen as dau. of William,son of John,son of Ralph,son of Richard. On another part of your site (http://bigelowsociety.com/rod/baguley5.htm)you show this a bit differently. Could you confirm or deny the descent of Ellen as shown on the chart?
Also I see that you show Lucy/Lucia Corona as a dau. of Edw. II,not Ed.I as I would think by the dates,in one spot,but show Ed.I as her father in another. I gather you meant Ed. I in both areas.
I thought you'd be interested that Lucia also married Hugo de Corona (Jr.),who also married Anabell de Bamvill;Lucia had son Thos.de Corona with husb. Hugo de Corona (Jr.)(Ref.Visitation of Cheshire,1580,pedigree of "Pro Leigh de Lyme".
Sincerely,   Steve Aderholdt   Lutherville,Maryland


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